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While it is likely that there would be a reduction in acquisitive
crime,
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Indeed.
How much acquisitive crime is associated with legal drugs? None,
because the free market sets their prices at affordable levels.
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if
drugs were legalised, it is important to remember that there is
other crime associated with drug misuse, for example crimes committed
under intoxication.
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While some stimulants such as amphetamines and crack cocaine can
lead users to act irresponsibly while under the influence, by
far the biggest risk to public safety is alcohol – a legal
drug, the use of which is condoned by the government. The only
'crimes' associated with the vast majority of illegal drugs are
their production, distribution and possession. These are acts
which do not harm a non-consenting other, so they should not be
crimes.
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And
the legalisation of drugs would not eliminate the crime committed
by organised career criminals; such criminals would simply seek
new sources of illicit revenue through crime.
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Strawman
[definition].
No-one has suggested any other outcome. When the U.S. relegalised
alcohol in 1933 with the repeal of the 18 th Amendment, organised
crime had already established a stranglehold on 'consensual crimes',
so naturally moved its emphasis from alcohol to prostitution and
gambling. There is no reason to doubt this will happen again after
drug relegalisation, however the fewer opportunities we give organised
crime to make a profit, the better .
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A regulated market for drugs would certainly provide the opportunity
for tax revenue.
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This is a significant admission from the government. Too bad it's
followed immediately by:
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But establishing the level of taxation would be difficult.
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The government already decides levels of taxation on various goods
and services governed by such factors as anticipated revenue and
any deterrent they may wish to place on purchase ('sin taxes').
While I appreciate that a sensible balance needs to be struck,
legalising and taxing these drugs would raise much-needed funds
to improve our public services.
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Setting the price too high would open the door for the illegal
markets,
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This is certainly true – witness the 'smuggling' of alcohol
and tobacco across the Channel, although I would characterise
this as the European free market at work. If goods or services
are cheaper elsewhere, we should be allowed to take advantage
of the flexibility offered by the free market .
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while setting it too low could feed that same market.
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Why would anyone buy at a higher price from an unlicensed dealer
when they could buy at a lower price from a licensed outlet, gaining
the protection of the consumer and health and safety laws?
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Nor is it the case that regulated markets eliminate illicit supplies,
as alcohol and tobacco smuggling demonstrate.
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Blatant nonsense. The author has clearly failed to understand
the difference between the legal and illegal drug markets. Smuggled
tobacco and alcohol are merely diverted, purchased in a lower
tax regime (or stolen) from legal, licensed producers who are
subject to stringent safety and quality regulations. If you buy
a smuggled bottle of French wine, it will be the same French wine
that is on sale from your local supermarket… only cheaper.
Illegal drugs on the other hand, are subject to no regulation,
no quality control, no health and safety checks. They are only
smuggled due to their legal status – does anyone think they
have a chance of getting an import license for cannabis…?
Either the author cannot see the distinction between these two
markets, or he/she is deliberately lying.
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Regulation also carries its own administrative and enforcement
costs.
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How do these compare to the costs of the drug war, I wonder? How
do they compare to the money wasted on pursuing drug users, arresting,
trying and imprisoning them? How much is wasted when a productive
member of society is thrown in jail for smoking a joint and turned
from a taxpayer to a tax consumer? How much does it cost to treat
(and sometimes bury) the victims of impure, poor quality drugs?
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Unless drugs were freely available to everyone, including children,
it would not be possible to stop the illicit market operating
at the margins of any regulated system.
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This is a highly offensive argument : no-one in any legalisation
campaign advocates making psychoactive substances freely available
to children. Perhaps the government should look closer at how
it condones the rising prescriptions of Ritalin…?
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As the Home Secretary has said, the Government welcomes an open
debate on drugs issues.
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I find this very hard to believe. This government has proved itself
dedicated to pursuing the war on drugs, no matter what the cost
in money and ruined lives.
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But
this debate has to be sensible and well informed.
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While the government uses the reasoning outlined in this document,
I would describe their level of debate as neither sensible nor
well informed. They have proven themselves to be idiotic, closed-minded
and vindictive.
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The Government is aware of the arguments for legalising controlled
drugs, but has concluded that the disadvantages would outweigh
the benefits.
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I would agree that they are aware of the arguments, but unwilling
and unable to understand them. By what reasoning have they concluded
that 'the disadvantages would outweigh the benefits'? What 'benefits'
have they seen from criminalisation?
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At a time when we are doing much to try to reduce the misuse of
tobacco and alcohol due to ever greater concerns about their safety,
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I'm glad that the government has understood the dangers of alcohol
and tobacco. However, they have so far concluded that criminalisation
is not the answer. Why, then, is it deemed to be the answer with
other drugs?
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it would be perverse to take the huge gamble with public health
that would be involved in legalising drugs.
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Highly judgemental language: 'perverse' and 'gamble' are two words
always guaranteed to hit the public's 'hot buttons'. Is this why
they were used here? Quite apart from their suspect use of language,
I would say they have been gambling with public health by making
drugs more dangerous through prohibition, instead of regulating
their quality and providing legal avenues for users to gain compensation
from bad suppliers.
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Why is cannabis illegal?
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The criminalisation of cannabis can best be understood by setting
it in a combined historical and international context. The drug
has, of course, been used medicinally and recreationally for many
hundreds of years.
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True. And now they're about to license Sativex - maybe!
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It was widely used as a medicine in Britain during Victorian times
for a variety of ailments.
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It was the one of the most effective painkillers available –
only bettered by morphine.
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People were well aware, however, at that time that it was an unpredictable
drug.
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Just how unpredictable was cannabis considered to be? Was it any
more, or less predictable in its effects than other drugs available
at the time? And how did these risks compare to the compatibility
issues found with other drugs?
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In the 1900s, new drugs were developed, e.g. aspirin and other,
better pain killers; and, as a result, the use of ancient herbal
medicines, including cannabis, declined.
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Aspirin can kill. Cannabis cannot. Is this 'better'?
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Cannabis nevertheless remained available as a medicine in the
United Kingdom, in the form of extracts and tinctures, until 1973,
when its use was prohibited by the coming into force of the Misuse
of Drugs Act 1971. That Act was passed by Parliament in line with
the controls on cannabis – and many other drugs –
agreed under the UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs 1961 for
the purpose of providing "effective measures against abuse
of narcotic drugs".
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It does not follow from our obligation to reduce drug misuse (and
I use this term in its literal sense: a glass of wine a night
is sensible use, a bottle of whisky a day is abuse) that prohibition
is the answer. Education and proper regulation would work far
better. And need I mention that cannabis is not a narcotic? Only
opiates are narcotic.
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Further UN measures followed and, now, the legalisation of cannabis
would be a breach of our international obligations under two United
Nations Conventions – the Single Convention on Narcotic
Drugs 1961, which prohibits (where prohibition is regarded as
the most appropriate means of protecting public health and welfare)
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Again, it does not follow that prohibition is the best way to
protect public health , in fact the evidence tells us that the
opposite is true: illegal drugs have no quality control, making
them more harmful . Were no lessons learnt from the U.S. Prohibition
era?
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the possession and use of cannabis, as well as many other drugs,
except for scientific and medical research purposes; and the Convention
against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances
1988, which, among other things, requires parties to the Convention
– subject to their constitutional principles and the basic
concepts of their legal systems – to establish the possession
of cannabis (and many other drugs) as a criminal offence.
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It's true that we're bound by the terms of the UN Convention.
However, we are free to leave at any time by passing the required
legislation in Parliament, which would allow us to pursue a more
rational and compassionate approach to drug use.
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However, it is left to individual states to determine what level
of sanctions to apply in conformity with their domestic law. It
is this discretion that provides the scope for variation of the
sanctions applied.
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The Convention allows wide discretion to be applied by its signatories
as to how to control the trade in drugs. It is not automatically
the case that the drugs be completely prohibited and their users
punished.
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What evidence is there that Class A drugs
are the most harmful drugs?
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Class
A drugs are the most harmful of the drugs controlled under the
Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 by virtue - as you know - of "the
physical harm that they may cause, ...associated withdrawal reactions
after chronic use, and the harm that misuse may bring to families
and society at large."
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While
it is true that they have potential for harm, it is exacerbated
by the government's policy of forcing users to resort to an unregulated
criminal market. Deaths from these drugs increased after criminalisation,
but it seems the government is unable or unwilling to look at
the evidence.
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There
is plenty of evidence of acute and chronic health risks attached
to drugs like heroin and crack cocaine, including the death rates
associated with their use.
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Again, these are made worse by prohibition. The established risks
of heroin in its pure, uncontaminated state are:
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Addiction (but we do not use this as a reason for banning
tobacco)
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Overdose (but this could be drastically reduced if consistent,
measured doses were available. How many accidental overdoses
are recorded against diacetylmorphine when administered in
hospitals?
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Constipation
Crack cocaine is a product of the drug war: 'more bang for your
buck'. The Incas saw no need to consume cocaine by any other means
than chewing the coca leaves which were freely available. There
were no legal risks inherent in collecting or distributing the
leaves, so therefore no need to concentrate the 'product' to compensate
for any losses from seizures .
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In addition, the use of these drugs often has a severe detrimental
effect on the user's family, as well as on the community generally,
all too often resulting in a cycle of crime, misery and social
exclusion.
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This is getting rather tiresome. If one has to break the law to
feed one's habit, these consequences are inevitable. Why else
were these 'detrimental effects' not seen when heroin / cocaine
were legal?
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The Government therefore has no intention of legalising the recreational
use of these, or indeed any other, controlled drug.
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These drugs are not 'controlled'. Rather, they are uncontrolled
, left to the vagaries of the black market: impure, contaminated
and overpriced; always with the risk of violent 'enforcement'
around the corner. The use of the word 'controlled' is meaningless:
control of these drugs has been passed from competent, regulated
producers to the criminal underworld.
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While our drugs laws cannot be expected to eliminate drug misuse
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They have no hope of achieving that purpose. All they have done
is make matters worse by abandoning any hope of controlling the
quality and supply of drugs, leaving unscrupulous organised criminals
in control.
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- i.e. misuse of drugs controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act
1971 -
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Here we see the drug war logic: all illegal drugs are automatically
misused because they are illegal, therefore they must be kept
illegal. Does anyone else see the circle close?
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there is no doubt that they do help to limit use and deter experimentation
of such drugs.
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They have no such effect. The opposite is true: drug use has risen
inexorably under prohibition, and the 'forbidden fruit' syndrome
ensures there are always new, curious consumers.
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They are an important part of the Government's overall strategy
to reduce the use of illegal drugs and the harm resulting from
their use.
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They do not work, they make things worse, they ruin lives. Is
this what we want?
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Tobacco and Alcohol
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So, why not make tobacco and alcohol controlled under the Misuse
of Drugs Act 1971? Alcohol and tobacco are so widely used in modern
society that criminalisation of their supply and use (over and
above the licensing restrictions) is not on the agenda.
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So drug policy is to be decided by numbers, is it? I thought that
drug policy was supposed to be based on health and welfare, not
by how many people would be offended by their drug of choice being
banned!
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There is no question about the fact that tobacco is a very dangerous
substance indeed.
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I'm grateful that the government has seen fit to realise this.
However, this admission exposes the lie that drug policy is based
on health grounds, doesn't it?
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If attempts were made to introduce cigarettes today, there is
every likelihood that their production and sale would be banned
immediately.
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Given what we know about the effects of tobacco, this is very
likely to be true. But I'm sure that organised crime would find
a way around it; after all it has with all the illegal drugs.
Do we really want to hand over control of such a dangerous, addictive
drug to organised crime?
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Consumption at any level is dangerous - there is no such thing
as a "safe"; cigarette - and tobacco consumption leads
to some 120,000 deaths per year in the United Kingdom. That is
why the Government is supporting the restraints contained in the
current Tobacco Advertising, Promotion and Sponsorship Bill.
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A little comparison is worthwhile here:
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Tobacco
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Cannabis
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Attributable deaths
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120,000 per year
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Is this what they mean by 'restraint'?
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Tobacco
has, however, a 400 year history of social acceptance and any
attempt to ban its use now would result in more widespread smuggling
and law breaking.
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So, banning tobacco would de facto hand over control to the black
market? Why not it has with every other drug the government has
banned. More to the point, if cannabis has had a 10,000 year history
of social acceptance why was it banned? Or does history have nothing
to do with it after all?
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The Government therefore relies on a comprehensive programme of
health education and the provision of support for those wishing
to give up.
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Why not try this with other drugs? It's already working with tobacco;
no punishment required, just education.
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The issues surrounding alcohol consumption are not as clear cut.
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They
are perfectly clear-cut, and any attempt by government to obscure
this is just dishonest. All drugs have potential for harm but
a responsible user will be aware of these and take the appropriate
steps to avoid or mitigate them… including abstention if
that is their choice.
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Alcohol
in moderation is not dangerous but it can cause social and medical
harm if it is misused.
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Absolutely!
Why is common sense so hard for them to understand?
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That
is why neither the Government, nor the Royal Colleges such as
the Royal College of Physicians, advise complete abstinence but
instead promote the sensible consumption of alcohol.
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Sounds sensible to me. Why not apply this more widely? If people
are treated as adults, they tend to act like them.
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Within that context the Government is concerned to ensure that
alcoholic drinks are not advertised or promoted irresponsibly,
either in ways which glamorise or encourage excessive drinking,
or in ways which have undue appeal to children or young people.
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The promotion of fashionable drinks such as alcopops to a predominantly
young market is hardly responsible. Given alcohol's known potential
for harm, how can the government's claim to be so concerned with
this issue be taken seriously?
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As you may be aware, advertising of alcoholic drinks is already
regulated by voluntary codes set up by the drinks industry and
the Advertising Standards Authority.
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In effect, the alcohol advertising industry is governed by itself.
Would we, as a society, condone any other examples of 'the fox
guarding the chickens?'
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These codes ban inappropriate advertising, including advertisements
which encourage excessive drinking, which suggest that alcoholic
drinks can enhance mental, physical or sexual capabilities, or
which are aimed at children and younger people. The drinks industry
is also concerned to ensure that the promotion and sponsorship
of alcohol is handled responsibly.
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Good idea. Be honest about what your product does, then adult
consumers can make up their own minds. Wouldn't that be better
than treating the 'wrong' drug users like naughty children?
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The Government believes that the most effective way of tackling
the problems caused by alcohol, tobacco and controlled drugs is
by using a full range of practical measures, based on evidence
of what works.
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Hard
to believe. There is no evidence that prohibition works, and all
the evidence in the world tells us it makes things worse. So why
stick with it?
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Laws and law enforcement play their part, but will not work in
isolation.
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They do not work, full stop. All the evidence accumulated since
the beginning of the drug war tells us so.
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In each case the Government is getting more addicts into treatment
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This sounds good, but must be voluntary. No tobacco smoker is
forced to kick their habit by law, so why should any other drug
user ? Even after treatment, ex-addicts can relapse back into
using the same impure, uncontrolled drugs as before.
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and investing in education and publicity campaigns to turn people
away from using each substance.
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I'm
personally in favour of this, but drug education must be scrupulously
honest and balanced in order to have any credibility whatsoever.
What we see instead is hysterical propaganda aimed at keeping
the drug war rumbling along, demonising users of the 'wrong' drugs.
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