I had a postcard from Charles Clarke in reply to my letter to him. "Thanks for the letter, your points are noted".

Derek

Webteam UKCIA

send the all the cut grass to the home office....




Come on



Think about the impact that would have...



fucking 10,000 oz of sand and weed turn up in the post


think we would get done under some kind of major obscure public order / terriorism offence tho?



Does that mean we have been noticed with and our concerns taken in?



Thats gotta be a minor victory of some kind? :)


Added:-

I just got some very very bad stuff

this stuff is plain wrong. its off some dodgey ass geezer and im chucking half oz of it. its covered with a fine white substance that isn't the same as the sand. i would say he was the kind of guy to be involved with volume movments tho...

bad times


cunts all around



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its er in plymouth 2 and its nasty shit.the people selling it need shooting.us smokers should take do something about it.like not buy it.tell the dealers its bollocks cheeky robbing shits.as u can tell i bit pissed off about it.spoiling good weed,what a crime should b illegal ha!

paulapain

oh, how nice of mr clarke to send you a postcard, derek! "Thanks for the letter, your points are noted". is that all it said? does that really mean, "you sent us a letter, here is an automated reply"? nice to know the home office is so concerned about the health of millions of uk citizens.
does anyone know how the journo (onthecase) is getting, on by the way?

Kent has it too.Been getting dryer here all the time,along with resin which is strangely becoming obsolete too.Spoke to some people.....the prices are going up in the dam too.Maybe it's a price hike thing as there has been more and more suppliers on the scene,cheaper and cheaper stuff,around and around we go....bud-a bing,cut us off,contaminate,start charging more...conspiracy theory?Where the f*** has it all gone?Hash aswell?WTF?

Hey guys, I signed up to these boards just to reply to this thread. Im a member of other (LARGE) cannabis boards, and they have had threads on this, but certainly not as large as this one.
Ive read the best share of the 9 pages (not every post, but many)

Basicly, I am wondering what is the final word on this gritty/sandy or whatever the fuck it is cannabis. Im looking for these questions to be answered by Derek or another person, such as a scientist who has tested the stuff.

-Product, what is it? > Brix? Fiber Glass? etc etc
-Is it seriously harmful?
-Is there anyway to seperate it from the bud?

-Do you think this will stop in the months comming, or is it on such a large scale it cant be delt with for a long time if at all.

If Derek or any other person who knows what they are talking about could reply to these questions, wether they are facts or opinions, that would be great. I think these are the questions everyone wants to know the answers to, maybe make it a sticky or edit the very first post with this infomation in to save people time.
Much appreachieate your time,
Please and thanks, Renegade.

stupid greedy weed wreckers.will b giving up if carries on.wont buy anymore sandy weed lets all unite and tell them 2 shove it!

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Renegade
Basicly, I am wondering what is the final word on this gritty/sandy or whatever the fuck it is cannabis. Im looking for these questions to be answered by Derek or another person, such as a scientist who has tested the stuff.
-Product, what is it? > Brix? Fiber Glass? etc etc
-Is it seriously harmful?
-Is there anyway to seperate it from the bud?

I can't give you an answer, I just know it's happeneing because I've seen samples of this stuff - as well as having read all of this thread!

We do know it's some kind of sand/grit/glass held on the plant with some kind of glue. Is it seriously harmful? Who knows, but it won't be good for you. I'm not trying to be alarmist, but I am hearing some quite frightening reasons as to why breathing in small bits of glass would be very, very dangerous.

As for the glue, well, what is it?

The attitude of the Home Offcie seems to be that cannabis is illegal so you shouldn't smoke it, if you do then anything that happens is your problem. This is an example of the government actually creating a risk that need not be there. In no other area of public life that I know of does the government deliberatly increase risks.

If I get any firm information I will, of course, post it.

Derek

Webteam UKCIA

Published in the Evening News, Norwich, December 9, 2006

You are most welcome to copy and send to your local paper - put your own name or put mine, I don't mind, just get the warnings out there (but please let me know if published) AlunBuffry@lca-uk.org
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Cannabis Warning

Recently the Evening News reported "Warning over rogue batches of cannabis" (November 24) referring to what is commonly known as "soap bar" resin supposedly from Morocco.

This stuff has been around for over 15 years and the report was a result of a Legalise Cannabis Alliance press release.

However, a potentially lethal form of contamination has appeared on the
illegal market recently.

It's not on resin, but on "bud" (the flowering heads commonly sold as "skunk" - often a misnomer). The bud seems to have been sprayed with some sort of ground glass of gritty silica. It falls out when shaken but sticks to the inside and outside of the plant bud.

I am sure I don't need to tell anyone the possible dire consequences of
smoking that, particularly when through unfiltered tobacco joints - yet
people take the risk (as they do). I have heard of people coughing up
blood!

Reports have been coming in, not only from Norfolk and Norwich, but also
from across the UK, Ireland and some places in Europe. It is clearly
being done on s massive scale.

I would like to ask why neither the police nor the department of Health
of Home Office has issued warnings.

Whether of not cannabis itself harms the users, this "glass-grass" could
be deadly.

It may show (to the police who apparently see low quality and high prices as a good sign that their tactics are working - one of their yardsticks) - surely warnings MUST be issued.

The Government can spend millions advertising that cannabis is illegal or by making a nonsensical Frank Brain Shop advert - now what about spending some on actually doing some good?

Alun Buffry
Legalise Cannabis Alliance
[www.lca-uk.org]
[www.ccguide.org.uk]

Thanks derek, I certainly see where your comming from. However, I personaly dont believe its glass of any sort, surley it would leave a red mark or rash if you rubbed this stuff on your skin, but it doesnt. Also, you obviously dont inhale this stuff directly (inless you cant roll a joint to save your life, or for some strange reason dont use a roach), its just in the smoke. This stuff thats added doesnt even burn aswell.
Ive got some of the cannabis, and I stopped smoking it after reading around, I got quite scared because ive intaken a great deal of this. I dont know if this is just me trying to make it justifyed in my own head because I want to smoke, or if that is just what I think. Hwoever....
Last night I took 4 or 5 small bit of bud, and put them in a glass filled with water about half way up. I then stired it for about 4 or 5 mins, and let it settle. Now, obviously my bud got soaking fucking wet, but alll the sandy/gritty shit sunk to the bottom of the glass, leaving my bud floating at the top.
Now I dont know anything about the propperties of what this substance could could potenialy be... but knowing it sank could help into knowing.
I dried them bit of bud out over night, and checked them out this morning there is still traces of this gritty substances, but its nothing compared to what was on it previously. Im going to smoke it, and see what the situation it. I dont know why im bothering, because all the THC would have came off in the water to, so effectivly im just smoking vegetable matter... but I may aswell, to see the results of what I done. If I get high, then I shall do this with the bud I have left (shamefully, quite a bit of this) as there is nothing else I would want to do with it.

One last thing,
I saw your discussion on the EDP boards, alot of it went stright over my head (I am only 17, and to be honest dont care about half the stuff that was being spoke about), but that Alan guy... what a ignorant fuckwhit. Just had to say that.
~Renegade.



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Renegade
One last thing,
I saw your discussion on the EDP boards, alot of it went stright over my head (I am only 17, and to be honest dont care about half the stuff that was being spoke about), but that Alan guy... what a ignorant fuckwhit. Just had to say that.
~Renegade.

Just to say Alan isn't Alun - two different people!

Washing the bud won't lose much of the active ingredients - although its not a way to treat cannabis - THC etc isn't water soluble. Use cold water though.

But I would caution this is not guaranteed to make the bud safe. We simply don't know what is in it.

Derek

Webteam UKCIA

Thanks for your advice and input.
Also I didnt think Alan from the EDP boards and Alun from here were the same.

Ill keep checking back here every so often, to see the the latest news on this contamination. Hopfully a few months after the new year it will calm down, and normal bud will start comming in acorss the UK again.

this is horrible all i can seem to get latly is this sandy shit its totaly replaced soap in ireland but here lads a girl i've been seeing and toking with has been having some seriously fucked up problems with her lungs like cutting pains hardly being able to stand and shit and its only happened after toking this weed i was just thinking that it could have something to do with it like you think its possible for this glassy sandy shit to be inhaled?

oh and i read that guys post about not being able to inhale it unless u dont use a roach? why is that? you not think there wud be tiny pieces of this shit in the weed that cud easily get sucked true the rouch?

dont shoot the dealer - its the growers that are doing this -do you really think that anyone would smoke or sell this if they new what it was

i know for a fact that people would and are if they cant get anything else they'll smoke it and its not normal growers its some mass produced shit i wish cotdeath on them!

and the dealers are just as bad for selling this shit

couldnt agree more if thats the case ,must be some operation for it to be country wide - to be honest , i only ever normally deal with two people, so its rare i have to look elsewere - i have ended up with a couple of oz of this stuff, and reading all this , ive been shaking it and it seems to be saturated, right down to the core of the buds, cant see how they have managed to do this so intenseley.its very fine sand in my opinion, i paid £130 an oz for it,i suppose ill keep it for emergencies -what a nightmare ! guy i got it from says hes had afew complaints about it being gritty,my pals have the same thing and think its great, ive smoked it and it seems normal, doesnt even seem harsh- mabye after 40 years in immune ?

the bud itsself is a fairly alright smoke but i realy dont think its worth it at all i'd recommend making some hash with that oz

firstly i want to add something to renegades post - you mentioned that you havent witnessed or heard anyone getting rashes etc.
a geeza a few posts back explained that his mate brought an oz of this stuff.
he did a little science project on himself - rubbin this stuff in to his arm.
a few hours later he reported back on here that he had a rash...then it led onto him having a skin reaction like insect bites.
when i touched the grit to get a sample sorted i began to get burning fingers and they were red..so i stuck gloves on to inspect.plus we dont knw what this is - it could give of serious fumes to smokers and people around with them.
and, come on guys.....this is marijuana -theres no point smoking it if theres this forgien object on it...distroying the pure qualities of the plant.

this is good enough evidence for me that this crap is dangerous to us...as human beings.
also i agree with mfitzp, im sure that inhaling this crap through a joint, will cause respratory problems.
ive spoke to a few that have also smoked this that have exprienced bad chests and whizzing/coughing...tightness of breath.
i did...but im asthmatic and i suffered trying to breath after a few tokes..so i quit smoking that a while back now.
i know that all of us know...but the real concern for me is the older generation..young kids, people that dont have access to the internet.

lets say an old lady either smokes it or bongs it. she asks her grandson to buy her some for her MS etc...with her not really having much education in THC and what a bud looks like( cause lets face it....we were like that once, not knowing about this wonderful medicine.)
she rolls one up....smokes it........................................and who knows this cause cause great problems

because older people and people like myself have low immune systems and catch infections on alparts of the body more than others.These people are going to suffer and drop like stones soon.it may even be fatal...we dont know yet what it is.but it isnt marijuana

one question the either alun and derek..has there been any joy with finding a lab to get this stuff tested.
i dont think sending it to the home office will help...they would just disregard it and say ...WHAT, we havent recieved anything.
not too sure about working with the journalist, he hasnt wrote back and that a tad suspicious, dont you think.
i would have thought this would be his first priority...mmmm

i spoke to my friends and they read up too....they were also shocked and didnt want to smoke it until we knew what it was.
my boyfriend saw them the other night and they were smoking the contaminated cannabis.....i couldnt believe it, because i have stuck to my guns on this one.
this could be a public health risk....

cheers for reading x