The hard ash stuff generally isn't contaminated, it's just amateurly grown.

Nojthing a good wash can't cure.... but it will lose weight.

Jakeish1000, mate be careful of anything that drops a 'pale green powder' it could be mould. And you REALLY don't want to be smoking mouldy bud. Does it smell musty rather than than musky?

I had an oz of green that was a bit damp the day I got it but just looked a bit uncured. Next morning, white fur and pale green powder (almost pantone 375) was on areas all over the oz. Whole oz went straight in the bin. The mould must have been in the bud already to have fruited that quickly I guess.

"The hard ash stuff generally isn't contaminated, it's just amateurly grown"

thats absolute bollocks.

And that's impolite.

Care to expand?

Ok, I haven't posted on this forum yet, but of course like many of you I was interested to know the prevalence of this grit weed. It started several years ago, and I (in a haze of Class A drugs), like a dumbass smoked it prolifically. I only really figured it out after I'd put so much of that shit in my body that the damage was already done. I get hot flushes, itching, painful swollen lymph nodes. Basically I'm being investigated for lymphoma. I blame this on the adulterated bud. I used to be fit, and for a toker, really fit, nowadays my right lung doesn't properly inflate, I have a lesion in my throat, and persistent headaches. Basically I fucked myself up bigtime.

I can't toke anymore, not the way I used to, mostly cause I'm in Manchester and the bud is almost all adulterated. The guys I used to know who grew, have left Uni. I however do not have that luxury, (as im doin my Postgrad).

Now this is where I become all professional and all that.

ZeroGrrl- I am not the sort of type who is generally inpolite, but I do have to agree with diggin4Gems, and second his sentiment.. "That is total bollocks", seriously from where do you draw those conclusions..? Have you smoked amature weed next to high grade, and thought... "mmm, the amature weed is ok, but the ash is hard"....

You are probably thinking of damp bud aren't you? (Sorry if that was patronizing). I've smoked for 10yrs and my ash has never been hard till this 'plastic' shit (I say plastic as this is the tactile sensation interpreted in my brain, it tells me: plastic, whether it is or not). Now it would be very easy for me to rant with things like: "Im a big smoker, my best mates the biggest dealer in the world, and I invented the bong"... and other nonsensical bollocks, but I will instead, (as a Biochemist), ask you one simple thing:

Is ash the product of:
a) Complete combustion
b) Partial combustion

Then I will begin to ramble....
I can't be assed waiting for a response so i'll just tell you: Ash can be 're-lit' you just need enough energy. Now if the ash is a product of combustion then in theory it should be the uncombustable remains of the materal (skunk), this is not always the case, but science is full of assumptions.

Not everything will burn in oxygen at 1atm, the resins in skunk are a good example, they are long chain hydrocarbons and require large amounts of invested energy, but due to the increase in entropy, and their large size. In excess O2 there is still free energy (ΔG), and they burn producing heat, but only under pressure (an untoked spliff will go out). What they leave behind (Incuding smoke, which is a solid suspension with large amounts of energy and brownian motion, it is NOT A GAS ) is TAR, this is relativley incombustible at STP w/o large amounts of energy. Yet the ash is still soft and white....

So what is this hard ash? From the information above I'm sure you can draw the conclusion that if it still has molecular cohesion (its hard) less energy was expelled and therefor less smoke would have been produced. Also the composition of the "fuel" (weed) is one that will not combust readily even under pressure (a deep toke creates pressure). Leading to the conclusion that the coating of the bud is less combustible than Skunk resins... Besides, when I lived at home, I grew some Northen Lights, it was damn nice, and I'm an amateur... You said "nothing a good wash won't cure", Then what are you washing off if it's not a contaminant?? I should have just said that shouldn't I?

You know what, I have work to do. This was a fantastic distraction. I just wish security wasn't so tight, and I could get some "me" time with the mass spec, and my lab, and some willing undergraduates I paid to keep stum. Then I'd settle this once and for all... And whip up a few kg of MDMA.. he he..

Peace and Love is all well and good.... But what happens when you run out?

Sorry I was a bit of a patronizing asshole, it's been a long day, (that hasn't finished), and all I want is what I cannot have... A big fat reefer

No, I am not thinking of damp bud. I am thinking of undercured bud. Been doing this a *very* long time, thank you very much. Yes, it was patronising.... and presumptious. I do know the difference...probably more than you do. I have been doing this longer, after all.

I'm washing off nutes and frets, that are still on the plant that should have been washed off during the cure, but were not. And the smoke is improving as a result. And I don't give a shit whether you are an amateur or not. This is all fact.

Don't take your clucking out on me, lad. See a therapist if you're going that mad without it.

We're all in the same boat.

i'd simply stop posting if i were you. everything you say, to reiterate my previous phrase, is absolute bollocks. it seems to me that you've read a few grow guides and now think you're the bushy old grower himself. the problem is you're confusing all the terms. undercured bud will not produce hard ash. you cure bud once it has already been dried. once its completly dry (100% cos of the risk of mould) you place in an airtght container which you burp once a day for anything up to a month (or longer). you are correct, this does produce a nicer end product, in particular the taste, but has no bearing on the hardness of ash.

"I'm washing off nutes and frets, that are still on the plant that should have been washed off during the cure, but were not"

errr....no. getting rid of nutrients is done in the last couple of weeks of growth, before the plant has been cut down, not once its all already dry. the process is known as flushing. simply dont add nutrients to your soil, and water as normal. the longer the flush the smoother tasting the bud. bud which has not been flushed will not produce hard ash, it affects the smoothness of the smoke. ie. under-flushed bud causes tightness of chest.

"Been doing this a *very* long time, thank you very much.... I do know the difference...probably more than you do. I have been doing this longer, after all."

wow, im in awe of you. but seriously, so what? at the end of the day, knowledege is knowledge, the timescale is irrevelent, and you either have it or you dont. clearly you dont



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Impolite maybe, but it's the truth...however harsh it may seem.

I really dont know where you got the information that hard ash skunk is not contaminated! But where ever you read or heard it, disregard your source TRUST ME!

The hard ash i hear causes tight chests...but other than that why the hell would you smoke it? I mean it produces hard ash! And i share alot of the sentiments of previous posters, we all want what we cant have! and whilst this stuff is around and people like zerogirl buy it, smoke it and make claims that it is ok to smoke then clearly this problem of contamination will not end!

Zerogirl you really need to stop smoking this crap, you can tell the hard ash stuff as it has a oil base to the bud, rub it on a glossy sheet of paper and you will see the trail it leaves behind, it is like a snail! And if it doesnt leave a trail then it should be alright, most of the time i can tell contaminated bud (i think i seen everyone under the sun!) and experienced tokers should be able to tell.

I picked up a bag of this hard ash 4months ago and it still hasnt drieD!!!! I mean wtf! i done a test and left it to soak in some water over a night and low and behold the next day the water looked like piss! No joke! This is a serious problem which has gone on for long enough now, the only options left for tokers in the UK is to grow their own and be sensible about it! only a few plants and take care of odour - keep it a secret! TELL NO ONE! Oh and campaign/spread the word for legislation of this herb we love so much.

Peace and love to all.

PS. Cannabis Legislation March www.protestlondon.co.uk <--open url. Your support and presence would be greatly appreciated.

Yes.... thanks to a lack of flushing during and after the grow.

It washes off. Oil slick in the water, and a horrid smell.

Ergo, not bollocks. I never said smoke it, I said it is fixable. I have no tight chest, no phlegm, nothing. It looks smells, tastes and smokes like what it is; *very* good gear. Nothing a wash couldn't sort.

Peace to you, too. :)

I have recently come accross skunk being sold in birmingham as "G-BUD", Has anyone come accross this? it tastes very chemical and also smells like dettol, burns and smokes well but has a certain "crispy" (overdried) feel to it. when cracked open has alot of fine relective particals, but no grit feel. It is very good stuff but cant help thinking it has been contaminated as in a previous post someone had suggested to throw it away if it contains any reflective particals.

please help.

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I have recently come accross skunk being sold in birmingham as "G-BUD", Has anyone come accross this? it tastes very chemical and also smells like dettol, burns and smokes well but has a certain "crispy" (overdried) feel to it. when cracked open has alot of fine relective particals, but no grit feel. It is very good stuff but cant help thinking it has been contaminated as in a previous post someone had suggested to throw it away if it contains any reflective particals.
please help.

If you open a bud of high grade skunk and look in the middle you can see tiny sparkley resin, its so minute that you can barely see it experienced tokers will know, it is just part of the bud i dont know wether is it there because it hasnt been flushed or what but all i know is that i have smoked bud like that and it was fine and that was in amsterdam years ago. Best thing to do is, if you have any suspicions that is it contaminated either show it to someone who knows their stuff to confirm or if your really suspicous about it just throw it and tell your dealer that your not happy, dont buy off your dealer if he continues to sell that crap.

Peace m8

Crystals that are present when you crack open as bud are not a good indicator. The bud is sprayed whilst it grows. As it has been mentioned, 'dust', or 'grit' can be distinguished from genuine crystallized cannaboids by an experienced toker, bud that has been dried properly will have larger 'spine' like crystals, as they form slowly. Not little 'orbs'. A microscope is not required for this purpose. However, I have come across a conundrum. I smoke rarely nowadays, but I was round at a mates, who got some nice bud, it got me caned. The taste was fantastic, and the high was nice. However, in addition to the nice spine like crystals, was an apparent dustiness. Usually I have found sprayed bud to be of a sub standard. But I could very easily believe this was of 'dam' quality. Why why why, must even the best weed be so fucked up.

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Yes.... thanks to a lack of flushing during and after the grow.
It washes off. Oil slick in the water, and a horrid smell.

Ergo, not bollocks. I never said smoke it, I said it is fixable. I have no tight chest, no phlegm, nothing. It looks smells, tastes and smokes like what it is; *very* good gear. Nothing a wash couldn't sort.

Peace to you, too. :)

LMAO, actually read what your're saying. you dont wash nutrients off weed (like i said this is done during the last two weeks of not after). if thats what your're doing, and its resulting in a horrible smell and oily water you dont have "*very* good gear", and it certainly isnt nutrients which is doing this. throw your shitty weed away

Diggin i think zerogrrl is confused with the term 'flushing', for those that dont know flushing refers to the last week whilst the plant is in growth, during the final 1 or 2 weeks of growth, growers feed the plant fresh ph balanced water to rid of all the nutrients and chemicals present in the soil and plant, this gives the herb a cleaner smoke.

Flushing does not mean washing your plant or buds in water, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you wash your bud in water! Putting it in water means that the THC will fall off the bud and into the water, thats how they make bubble hash. If you have contaminated weed throw it away and ditch the dealer that sold it to you, do not try to get rid of the crap by washing it! Dont smoke crap!

Thanks AK47, It appears that this stuff was contaminated, the way I have found the best for testing for contamination is the ash, if it leaves like a boot polish type substance when rubbed between the fingers it has been contaminated.

I am aware that there is usually some sparkly resin on the inside but this was too much and too big to be THC. I have now resorted to smoking just weed and not skunk,It is the safest on the streets ATM.

Does anyone know what the situation in ireland is? better still does anyone know any good growers selling very large amounts in the uk? PM me pleasee

No problem cannabisology, and well done to you for being sensible and smoking weed as opposed to dirty skunk, this way they got one less customer ;) good on you.

Hi all,

Recently all that seems to be about is really dry Crispy type weed. I've been checking everything I buy now in great detail and i'm confident this hasn't been contaminated...

It does however have the following characteristics..

1) Its really dry and has a crispy feel to it - i think its been dried to quick without enough humidity.

2) It does have a bit of dust - however this is the bud its self as it crumbles. If you rub the dust together it will bind back together.

3) The ash is clean - not like boot polish

4) It gets you mashed

5) It tastes ok.

Anyone else had this ?

sexyhair, Does the buds have some bits in it which have turned really hard?

erm,

Not that i'm aware of...

What am i looking for ? and why ?