Hi,

Just like to point out this:-

As you can see last night i scored some GRIT WEED! (I actually got a fair bit)! I really didn't realize at 1st . As soon as i did i stopped smoking it neat (i.e with a roch).

As i actually manged to get some real weed earlier in the week (i.e not wet, crap , contaminated) i didn't have any of this crap (i had real stuff) until this evening and that was through a vaporizer.

About 2 hrs later i actually had blood in my mouth where part of inside had CUT AWAY, as previously mentioned this is not the same as previous contaminated stuff (which did look similar) .

Also i had some white gunk in the inside of my mouth!

(p.s - this is not some sort of bullsh*t scare story this is real , I will not stop smoking weed (now it is in a crazy way a moral issue, as I do love it and weed is not the reason I have blood in my mouth tonight, the reason is the ****ing laws.

P.P.S = the only major political party that has an in anyway a sane attitude to drug laws is the lib dem's, the tories are just as bad, if not worse that labour in their drug policies, I had to mention that as some people in this forum seem to have the misguided view that the conversatives are in some way liberial in their drug polices.

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The future isn't going to be bad! (we hope)

BoBiZmE - Yes i have read every single post.

I guess i was hoping that the sweet taste may have been evidence of brix, which has been mentioned.

In my heart of hearts i know it is the deadly grit weed and soon as i realised i stopped smoking it ) i also had side effects - see other post) (BTW - i smoke all the time and normally had so side effects except mild euphoria)

I have spent a bit of cash of the shit last night and it is so hard to just throw it away - i have been warning every body i know (even non-smokers) about this shit , my Girlfriend (who doesn't even smoke) has said i don't talk about anything else.

i'm so gutted as after preaching about this (and showing everybody i know the BBC wales link) i ended up getting some..

My mistake was:-
- i trusted the guy
- i didn't do the wet finger trick

I have to say this:-

- i looked different to other affected stuff i'd seen
- It was much less contaminated, it didn't look really obvious like before
- The quality of the skunk (goodness) was higher than previous contaminated stuff i'd seen

I am sooooooooooooooo pis**ed off.

Will the world of good skunk ever happen again ?

I wish AIDS on anyone involved in this, actually i wish AIDs whilst being anally raped............................. (i mean this)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2007 11:08PM by interzonefreak.

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interzonefreak
P.P.S = the only major political party that has an in anyway a sane attitude to drug laws is the lib dem's, the tories are just as bad, if not worse that labour in their drug policies, I had to mention that as some people in this forum seem to have the misguided view that the conversatives are in some way liberial in their drug polices.

such a shame the green party arent a major political party - if I had the time I'd be trying to represent them in this area, cause at the moment i cant vote for them :( either way, I think they should be given a chance in government, cause conservatives and labour are a bunch of pricks :)

stormeagle - Its not the fact of whether its for personal use or not it what the pigs decide and u know they only want an excuse to waste tax payers cash on banging you up or whatever and if they have that as evidence then ur screwed!

interzonefreak - Trust no one! The people doing this deserve more than aids (not painful enough) We need to skin them and pour petrol on them and watch the fuckers BURN!

BoBiZmE - the police may make the decision on whether or not to arrest you, but its the courts who decide whether they agree or not

Its only Just come to my realisation that the weed ive been smokin this past 6 or 7 months has been contaminated. the weed ive been buyin is clearly contaminated because when i licked a bit of my finger and chewed it felt like i was eating sand or little tiny bits of stone. my chest is killing me and i get shooting pains through my heart because of this shit! im boycotting the market and growing my own cause its the only way to be sure what you are getting. Godam the law...if it wasnt illegal then this probably would have never happened! bleme the government and those dirty fuckin dealers

Yer man, 6/7 months is fucked up..

Im glad i just lost 40 quid and not smoked lots of it and became aware before i toked alot of it.

HELPFUL MEDICAL INFO ON SILICOSIS
WHAT IT IS,
WHAT IT DOES IN THE LUNG AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO EFFECT
HOW LONG BEFORE IT BECOMES NOTICEABLE TO PHARSITIONS.
PLS NOTE IM NO DOCTOR AND ALL THE INFO HERE CAN BE FOUND IN THE ONLINE ENCYCLOPIDIA. PLS TREAT AS THE FINDINGS OF LAYMEN LEARNING AS THEY GO

Silica

Silica is the second most common mineral on earth (its in everything even burger king, and is all gravy until it ends up in your lungs). It is found in concrete, masonry, sandstone, rock, paint, and other abrasives. The cutting, breaking, crushing, drilling, grinding, or abrasive blasting of these materials may produce fine silica dust. It can also be in soil, mortar, plaster, and shingles. Silicosis is due to deposition of fine dust (less than 1 micron in diameter) containing crystalline silicon dioxide in the form of alpha-quartz, cristobalite, or tridymite.

The induction period between initial silica exposure and development of radiographically detectable nodular silicosis is usually 10 years. Shorter induction periods are associated with HEAVY EXPOSURES, and ACUTE SILICOSIS may DEVELOPE within 6 MONTHS TO 2 YEARS following massive silica exposure.

WHAT CONSTATUTES OR EQUATES TO MASSIVE EXPOSURE?????????????????????
PLEASE POST IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER

ALSO IF YOUVE SMOKED AN ONCE WHICH WAS HEAVILY SHOWERED IN THIS STUFF SAY 40%, WHICH EQUATES TO AROUND 10 GRAMS RUBBISH IN 28 GRAMS OF SKUNK WHAT PERCENTAGE IS LIKELY TO END UP IN THE LUNG??????????????????
PLEASE POST IF YOU KNOW OR CAN FESIABLY QUESTIMATE AN ANSWER.

[edit] Pathology

When the small silica dust particles are breathed into the lungs, they can embed themselves deeply into the tiny alveolar sacs and ducts where oxygen and carbon dioxide gases are exchanged. There, the lungs cannot clear out the dust by mucous or coughing.

When fine particles of silica dust are deposited in the lungs, macrophages that ingest the dust particles will set off an inflammation response by releasing tumor necrosis factor, interleukin-1, leukotriene B4 and other cytokines. In turn, these stimulate fibroblasts to proliferate and produce collagen around the silica particle, thus resulting in fibrosis and the formation of the nodular lesions.

Furthermore, the surface of silicon dust can generate silicon-based radicals that lead to the production of hydroxyl and oxygen radicals, as well as hydrogen peroxide, which can inflict damage to the surrounding cells.

Characteristic lung tissue pathology in nodular silicosis consists of fibrotic nodules with concentric "onion-skinned" arrangement of collagen fibers, central hyalinization, and a cellular peripheral zone, with lightly birefringent particles seen under polarized light. In acute silicosis, microscopic pathology shows a periodic acid-Schiff positive alveolar exudate (alveolar lipoproteinosis) and a cellular infiltrate of the alveolar walls.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2007 05:12AM by banski.

Hi

I work in the building trade specialising in asbestos. I have no medical training other than the basic knowledge gained from job related training. Therefore the following is my opinion only. If I have got any of this wrong and someone here knows better, please do correct me.

In terms of asbestos, "massive exposure" mainly occured from working in factories making asbestos products or from working as a lagger applying asbestos to boilers and pipes etc. As the use of asbestos is now mostly banned "massive exposures" are virtually non-existant these days. Silicosis is a relatively similar disease to asbestosis but it is caused by a much more abundant material, silica. "Massive exposure" in terms of silica dust inhalation could very easily come from many modern trades such as; diamond sawing masonry in confined spaces, Grinding metal (dust comes from the grinding wheels), sand blasting etc etc etc. Like asbestosis, I would consider silicosis as an occupational disease and people working in dusty environments would normally wear respirators etc to avoid inhalation.

The glass beads in 'gritweed' have been proved to be mosty 0.1mm (100microns) and going as small as 0.01mm (10 microns) with a very small number of beads down to 0.005mm (5 microns). The size of particle that causes silicosis is 0.001mm (1 micron) or smaller which is ten times smaller than the majority of the smaller beads seen in 'gritweed'. The amount of beads actually making it into your lungs from smoking would be very small (your throat lining and bronchi are pretty good at removing dust from inhaled breath) and only a small percentage of those are in the smaller size range. Looking at the microscope pictures on this site, even the smallest beads are still at least 5 microns. Compared to working in a room full of dust you have just made from diamond sawing through a wall, the exposure to dust from smoking gritweed is negligible. I would have to agree with the doctors in this case and say that the risk of contracting silicosis from smoking gritweed is incredibly small.

..... Having said all of that, I would still not reccomend smoking it as inhaling small and very hot particles of glass cannot be good for anyone and as I've mentioned in another post we still don't know what 'glue' is used to stick the glass onto the bud. This may be highly toxic or it may be harmless??? who knows?? (anyone with access to a gas chromatograph?). I would have thought that it is this 'glue' that is causing the lung and throat irritation that people are reporting after smoking gritweed. I have smoked some pretty horrible soapbar in the distant past that has given me similar symptoms. I won't use that either!

The best advice can only be... DON'T BUY GRITWEED AND DON'T USE GRITWEED...but if you have, try not to be too paranoid about it. If everyone stops buying it the suppliers will have to stop supplying it ... and we can only hope that happens sooner than later.

Anon

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The size of particle that causes silicosis is 0.001mm (1 micron) or smaller which is ten times smaller than the majority of the smaller beads seen in 'gritweed'.

Well, PM10's are particles less then 0.01MM - is ten microns (hence the name). They are small enough to be drawn into the lungs where they basically get stuck they can cause damage and there are pleanty of that sort of size.

True, PM2.5 - ie 2.5nm can cause the worst problems, but anything less than 10 nm is a threat to the lungs, especially as they're not just being breathed in as dust would be, they're being sucked in.

Also, some of this contamination is fibreglass apparently, we don't know what size range that is.

As we agree, just say no!

Derek

Webteam UKCIA

hi there people im in cornwall the green hear is also contaminated crap its been like it for about six months fxxking money making scammers

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Derek

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anon_133
The size of particle that causes silicosis is 0.001mm (1 micron) or smaller which is ten times smaller than the majority of the smaller beads seen in 'gritweed'.

Well, PM10's are particles less then 0.01MM - is ten microns (hence the name). They are small enough to be drawn into the lungs where they basically get stuck they can cause damage and there are pleanty of that sort of size.

True, PM2.5 - ie 2.5nm can cause the worst problems, but anything less than 10 nm is a threat to the lungs, especially as they're not just being breathed in as dust would be, they're being sucked in.

Also, some of this contamination is fibreglass apparently, we don't know what size range that is.

As we agree, just say no!

Derek

I agree with what you have said that any particles entering the lungs are generally not good for you but I was talking specifically about silicosis rather than other lung problems. Several different sources I have looked at recently all state that silicosis is caused by particles of 0.001mm (1 micron) or smaller. You also need a lot of them over a long period of time. In the photos shown on this site, only a tiny percentage of the beads were less than 5 microns with most of them being bigger than 100 microns. I most certainly am not saying that 'gritweed' is ok but I still maintain that it would be incredibly unlikely to develop silicosis from smoking it.

With regards to 'sucking' and 'breathing', can I assume you have never done any intensive manual labour on a building site? (no offence intended by that Derek). An hour holding a 20kg jack hammer above your head is easily enough to get you sucking in air deeply!

Finally with regards to fibreglass. Whilst there has been quite a lot of research into whether or not fibreglass is carcinogenic there has been no conclusive proof that it is. Respirable asbestos fibres according to uk legislation have a length between 5 - 15 microns, a diameter of between 1 - 3 microns and a length/diameter ratio of 3:1. With the exception of refractory ceramic fibre (uncommon specialist type of fibreglass) most glass fibre is produced through use of a rotary process resulting in 3 - 15 micron average diameter. This is bigger than respirable asbestos fibres. Fibreglass also has the advantage that the bodies defence mechanisms can slowly dissolve glass fibre in the lungs whereas it cannot do the same to asbestos. Studies of respiratory morbidity, as measured by symptoms, chest radiographs and pulmonary function tests among manufacturing plant workers generally have not found any adverse effects.

I'm still not saying 'gritweed' is safe or ok and as stated many times before, DO NOT BUY GRITWEED AND DO NOT USE GRITWEED! It is not good for you!

Anon

here fucking here!!

MISTAKEN POSTING, SORRY



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2007 12:45AM by rule..britannia.

Hello to all, new to these forum thingys bu there goes, i agree so much with all these posts, i have been smoking since 1985, started on jamaican weed, them days there was no skunk. soapbar was bad , but not as bad as these days. its feels like we are the victim of many factors, I have mates in russia holland,AND SPAIN, THEY all say the DROUGHT FOR GOOD SKUNK is caused by russia, yes russia, apparently all the major importers from holland or wherever have realised this. there is a boom in russia, loadsa dough,my friends are living a champagne lifestlye in rostov on don, they love there skunk, even as we speak there supply is good and frequent, even if shipments are caught at the border (which is so much easier than uk custom/borders) there is a 90 percent chance of a succesful bribe. so why bother with the uk, there are lots of competition from uk growers,which up until last year saw a quarter of harry(skunk) fall to 35 quids a quarter,so they thought why bother. when we can sell to russai for 350 american dollars an ounce, im more likely to get my gear thru customs, even if i does get nabbed i can bribe, when it arrives i get a new price. so thats why we have the drought. what this has done , is create huge pressure on demand, uk growers are not able to cope, and are put off starting by the ridiculous prison sentences given out. so we all hungry, soapbars gone up in price as a result, and more disturbingly its created hole in the market, demand is so high, so many pll,(me included) were demanding skunk that all we now get all this fuking dodgy weed. reading this forum made me take the weed test as ppl on here earlier suggested, i put it on mirror, no grit, put some ash in water no glasss, but my green does have a coating of some sort, iv noticed a creamy texture in the whites of my eyes, and that there heavily bloodshot lately, am i being paranoid?? dont know, but im off ta doctors tommorow to make sure. coughing up some pure white goo too. I MEAN PURE WHITE PLEGHM. a guy in wales said his supply is ok , i find him to be right, i live in a small town when im not in london, and the local guys weed its grown locally, its wet, but only wet, i spose his faqrmers trying to keep up and is choppin a wee bit early, still dried out its a great smoke with no shit, and lots or reddy orange hairs, but as i am the new boy i seem to be only able to secure a henry of the guy a week,:( dry the weed out, and your henrys now 2gramms. so u think, well tonight im allrite, but im now thinking about tommorow smoke. its all fuking wrong. friends i know are so strung out there going to the dam every FORTNIGHT! im going again soon, where they TREAT YOU LIKE AN ADULT!! i went there for the first time for 8 day last otober, it was a shock, until then i thgt i lived in the best country in the world for ME, i was sadly wrong, its holland, i coulnt get over there liberal, make your own choice laws. it actually brought moisture to my eyes, just short of a tear it was....that soon passed as i hit another coffee shop and thgt blueberry or haze???? any way to end my post, i just like to add, we really must stop buying if were not happy, we all now good skunk, but the droughts made us less fussy, and like a boa constrictor, the dealers keep tightening te clutch every time we breathe out and accept there shite. no demand , then we; ll start to win again. we should all go on a march in london too, iv never gone on any march inme LIFE, but i tell ya id go to any demo highlighting the many great issues highlighted in this thread. peace and love to all my fellow skunkers, we dont fight like boozers, we dont steal like junkeys/crackheads, they sell us noxiuos tobacco at 16, reap huges taxes off that horrid weed, what the difference, there both a weed, oh yer annial tax revenues on tobbacco generates more than enough to pay for the for the WHOLE NHS THAT YEAR. Then wen we need a set of lungs we are slid down the list after non smokers who are deemed more worthy of that transplant, now that gratiude for ya, FUK CHEAP FUEL(THO THAT WOOD BE GOOD TOO) LETS CAMPAIGN FOR A DUTCH STYLE OUTLOOK, ITS THE 21ST FUKING CENTURY¬PS, I FORGOT TO TELL YOU THIS HORROR STORY......A FRIEND IN LONDON GOT A BIT O WEED, WENT HOME , ROLLED A JOINT, SMOKED OK, RUBBED HIS EYE THO AND 10 MINS LATER WAS IN PAIN, WENT TO THE HOSPITAL, THEY DID TEST, AND FOUND HIS EYE WAS CONTAMINATED BY asbestos, YES, fucking asbestos!! THATS ANOTHER CHEMICAL TO ADD TO OUR LIST OF HORROR STORYS.EVEN MORE REASON TO ONLY BUY, NICE NEARLY DRY, NON GOOEY, NON TOO DARK WEED. MOST OF US KNOW WAT GOOD UNTOUCHED WEED LOOKS LIKE, LETS START ACCEPPTING NOTHING LESS GANG!! BYE.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2007 12:52AM by rule..britannia.

See! what have I been telling u all about the weed in wales is true. Very little if any grit in S Wales.
Fuck, the Welsh tourist board are going to be happy with me when our little country is full of pot smoking tourists this summer! lol

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mustard
I'm very worried about contamination and like many others on these forums, giving up is looking like the only option.
I have seen many samples that are, without question, grit weed.
But, now i'm looking at every sample and seeing it but I can't be sure because of the varying degrees of contamination.

I'm looking for some advice and help on this.
Judging by some of the more extreme photos that showed blatant glass beads to the shots of weed with sand in it, I now wonder whether another blemish(?) is in fact a contaminent.

Looked at some incredible looking bud yesterday which also smelled great.
Upon putting a single bud up to the light, I could see what looked like small, really tiny silvery bits on various parts of the bud like fairy lights on a christmas tree.
Is that normal?.

There is no grit sound when you bite the bud and no residue either, but when you put it in your hand to break it up, you can also see little tiny silvery specks and not that many either in my small sample.
It is really dark green bud which doesnt taste great.
Should i be freaked out my small specks of silver.
Is that fact that it isnt fairly sizeable glass beads to be taken as something I shouldn't worry about?.
Thanks in advance!

this is exactly what i have seen....absolutely no crunch - but in and outside of the bud has shiny reflective bits??
im v confused....derek ive taken pics - but it does just look yummy.??
Y these games?
please help if anyone has any advice or has similar bud

I'd like to ask Alun and the guys from LCA, also UKCIA to help me out here.
I did the finger test and there is a slight sparkle or a sparkle on my fingers but there is no audible crunch from biting it.
But when you do the finger test there is a visible sparkle on my finger.
The weed is really good and it appears to be a white widow strain.
When I look really close at the bud, there seems to be a small amount of coated crystals.
Is this normal?.

hi mustard.

I have stuff which sounds identical i.e:-

-> It passed the crunch test with flying colours (i now never buy anything without biting in to a bit of it first)
> There is a slight sparkle in the weed that i cannot be 100% sure is crystals or not.
- You can shake the weed and not notice anything weird coming off
-> there is no notable scratch marks when rubbed against something
- after smoking sometimes though (this is after a min or so) i do notice the tiniest of matter in my mouth (it is really barely noticeable)
-> Unlike other 'contamino weed' it tastes absolutely fantastic. no noticeable solvent taste when smoked and not permanently wet like some...

Is it possible that we are all just paranoid due to the recent crap OR :-

- Is it possible that this weed is contaminated but just a hell of lot less (and with no 'binding' agent)
- Or that they are using even smaller particles in an attempt to avoid detection as contaminated

If it is the 2nd then this could be ever more deadly that the original contaminated weed as smaller bit = more likehood of entering lungs... Just a thought...

Has anyone got any photo's of this, my camera has been lent at the moment.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2007 08:05PM by interzonefreak.

Hi interzonefreak and many thanks for your reply.
I'm sure what you describe is what I have been seeing as well as the hideously bad grit.

I'm so concerned about this I have turned down bag after bag of what looks like excellent shit but it all has that sparkle that doesn't look healthy and in my opinion shouldn't be there.

Heres another test for you inter, shine some concentrated light on it and look at the bud, you could use any kind of light, but what I found good was the lighters with the little light activtated by button.

You can clearly see crystals of tiny stuff.
It doesn't necessarily taste sweet when dabbed on fingers, more of a chemical type taste.

As stated the bud looks great from a distance but get down close and you can see there is something up here.

Very, very deadly and I am officially not smoking any more until this debacle clears up.

I have already had a week without anything of my own and I can see it going on for a long time.
But thanks again for chiming in, would love to see others reactions to this latest scare.

BTW, on the photo tip, I would suggest it would be very difficult to capture this on camera as its so small and not noticeable glass beads.
I think however, if you dip your finger and shine some light on it, then it may very well show up.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2007 09:21PM by mustard.