hello, i have been trying to get off tobacco for a while now but as i could never find anything else to burn my 'erb with i have always went back to it.

i have now been made aware of some other things to try (thanks to this site for some tips) but was wondering if anyone has any opinions on them or any more suggestions, i usually use a vaporiser :) but i do like a nice spliff now and then but really really dont want to have to smoke tobacco ever again (its evil!).

here is what i've tried/heard of:

HERBAL CIGS (not the nicest smell/taste and they still have tar in them)

RASPBERRY LEAF TEA (i'm trying this jst now, seems ok, not too much smell/taste but dont know if it is carsenogenic)

MULLEIN (jst ordered some today to try, i've read it has almost no taste/smell)

DRIED PARSLEY (not tried yet)

Thanks mbj

Forget all those magic mixtures. Put them all in the bin and use a bong.

Either that or get yourself to a pipe shop and ask them for some of their lightest organic tobacco....

It has almost nothing in it, being a plant, shredded and dried, that's it, make sure it's the lightest organic blend they offer. Not only is it tasteless but it's incredibly smooth and a shitload better than any other baccy.

Other options, if it's nicotine you dislike, are corn fibers - like the Native Americans used to smoke, but it has a funny taste, burns harsh and is a bitch to roll with.

Otherwise find a bland herbal smoking blend and use that, avoid any that smell minty, trust me it tastes like shit.

Smoking anything is carcinogenic so if that's your reason then stop smoking, if it's because you don't like the taste then you should try organic light blend (no additives) roll your own.

If it's nicotine you want off of then herbal blends, but they generally taste like ass.

Of course there is the other answer, stop mixing it with anything and chrondog that fo' shizzle, hahahaa.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2007 11:07AM by CocoPuffIt.

My problem is Puffer i really like Joints over bongs/pipes etc, i find them very rough on the throat and strange as it may sound i really like the proccess of rolling a Joint, its also a social thing and easier to get away with outside (untill smoking anywere is band that is) and everyone i know would love to be able to still smoke J's but not have to smoke that KILLER drug Nicotine.

i also have my Vaporisers (a Vapureyes one and a Vapourease one) which are AMAZINGGGGGGGGGG:):) and they do me most of the time but i cant really take them out and about with me :(

Cheers CocoPuffIt i may try the organic tobacco stuff, do you know if thats the same as what would be in a herbal cigrette,

i would just love to be able to stop mixing my 'erb but without anything no matter how hard i try i just cant roll a good green only Reef with normal skins availabe to me, it never burns down correctly and keeps going out, if i use a lot of green for 1 Spliff then it burns better but its still not an ideal burn and i always seem to end up going back to adding tobacco to get a good and even burn which i HATE doing as it make me feel so larthargic, so after a few joints i just cant be bothered doing anything and i know thats not the feeling Green should give you as the buzz i get off the Vaps/yogurts even pipes and bongs is a more intense but happy alert bouncy feeling

Up to you but here is a picture of my diy water bong. You couldn't get a cooler smoother smoke. Anything that burns will stick some shit in your lungs so I say mix the dope with nothing at all to minimise the risk.

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Up to you but here is a picture of my diy water bong. You couldn't get a cooler smoother smoke. Anything that burns will stick some shit in your lungs so I say mix the dope with nothing at all to minimise the risk.

Heh :) We've seen that before a while back haven't we? - nice water pipe though Puffer.

Can you resize pics you post though to about 700 px wide, it all works better then.

But yeah, I have to ask, why role big joints if you don't smoke tobacco? The need to role a joint soon goes away, it's not as important as people claim. Get yourself a pipe like Puffers

Derek

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The need to roll a Joint comes from it still being quite a social thing where i stay also as stated to make the J burn better, to use less Green, etc.
It is a major problem for a lot of people, Check this link bud [www.ukcia.org] and look halfway down the page.
Now it says "Around 75% of cannabis is smoked in joints mixed with tobacco " so if i can help just a couple off people including myself to get off tobacco by finding the BEST mix then that would be cool.
Peace Mbj

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The need to roll a Joint comes from it still being quite a social thing where i stay also as stated to make the J burn better, to use less Green, etc.
It is a major problem for a lot of people, Check this link bud [www.ukcia.org] and look halfway down the page.
Now it says "Around 75% of cannabis is smoked in joints mixed with tobacco " so if i can help just a couple off people including myself to get off tobacco by finding the BEST mix then that would be cool.
Peace Mbj

Yeah, but the thing is only tobacco works. You'll find tobacco heads won't like the herbal joints and you'll be back on the evil weed in no time.

Fact is smoking cannabis without tobacco is an entirely different experience, it's just not the same at all.

What is also true though is that when you quit the tobacco, your use of cannabis will drop by about half. Most tobacco smokers claim they "dilute" the cannabis with tobacco, in fact they mostly get through much more cannabis than non-tobacco smokers.

Derek

Webteam UKCIA

puffer that water pipe is ghetto style ...lol

Haha +1 for the ghetto style bong.

Takes me back to college lol, ah yes I remember, "The Black Beauty" we called her, made from one of those bubble shaped tango bottles in the middle of some woods.

My other favourite in times of need have been - make a downpipe with head, stick it in my juice carton, use the straw as the sucking tube (above juice level) and toke a fruit carton bong. haha did it with Mango and it tasted like, well, mango. Anything, I've made pipes from apples lol. It's part of growing as a stoner.

I tend to agree with Derek on the tobacco front, the organic stuff I mentioned IS tobacco, but it's not processed, chemical, high nicotine high tar tobacco, it's literally the plant shredded and dried. I like it because it gets you off the nicotine hook, you taste only the green, it burns just as well and is a good step to reducing how much nicotine you inevitably absorb from smoking tobacco.
I found it meant I smoked less, i felt less of the nicotine "buzz". Start using fewer and fewer strands of tobacco in your j and you'll be rolling chronics in no time and you'll find it easy to roll and that they burn well.

The best tip I can give for chronic rolling is DONT grind it too fine, it will compact, clog and be useless. Don't roll it too tight and give yourself a bigger roach. Lick around the tip of the doob before you light it (don't slobber on it, just get a damp ring around the tip, leaving the very tip dry) then burn and toke it. By licking the end like that you stop it burning off to one side etc and once it's going evenly they tend to burn down evenly.

[quote CocoPuffIt]Haha +1 for the ghetto style bong.
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Sorry if I've posted this one before Derek. My memory isn't too good for some reason ;-) It's a picture of my favorite bong before it got broke :-(( I made it from a 2 Gallon demi-john.

He-he-he.

Nice work Puffer, I'm liking that you decorated it too.

I always said that the best high is from your own DIY stuff, no one makes bongs like you make them for yourself. I wish I'd taken pics of my creations, the best was a 7 chamber hahahaha. Got a load of singles and joined em all up so you could burn one HUGE gauze and toke one tube (took some work) smooth but oh so dangerous.

Smoking bongs in sunshine is what it's about, the heady happy buzz you get is unbeatable.

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Smoking bongs in sunshine is what it's about, the heady happy buzz you get is unbeatable.

The social aspect is important for me too, I don't like to smoke in my house (actually, I don't mind with the windows open, but it's too cold). Weed is mostly legal here but I think it's too illicit to smoke a bong in public or at a bar (though some clubs are okay).

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If it's nicotine you want off of then herbal blends, but they generally taste like ass. Of course there is the other answer, stop mixing it with anything and chrondog that fo' shizzle, hahahaa.

I'll try to find some herbal smoking blends, I know of a Smart shop in town but I haven't been before. I tried with oregano and marjoram once when I ran out of 'baky, it tasted like smoking a pizza :)

just roll blunts. blunts dont have to be huge. just put what you normally put into a joint. (bout .5 is fine). as long as the weed ur smoking is fully dry they smoke fine as well. getting them lit for your first toke is harder, but once they've been spaked once they light up really well.

A few years ago I read this:
[www.botanicalstudies.net]
then checked wikipedia:
[en.wikipedia.org]
I saw the picture and realised one was growing in my garden, so I picked some leaves, dried, rubbed, crumbled, mixed with skunk, and skinned a joint.
Smoked it with 2 mates and neither of them noticed (I told them when the J was dead). No difference between Mullein joint and baccy joint, burned at same speed, tasteless, smooth. Was slightly awkward to roll with, similar to cigarette baccy though so not too bad. Would be the same as skinning with rolling Tobacco if it was cured and cut into strands.
If you find yourself craving Nicotine then add a pinch of Lobelia:
[www.botanicalstudies.net]

It's less than half the price of rolling Tobacco (and you get it delivered):
[www.baldwins.co.uk]
25g = £2.35
100g = £3.95
250g = £7.15
500g = £11.75
6 Kilos = £74.88
Those prices include standard postage.

Mullein is also an expectorant, so it will help you get rid of some lung goblins.
That and no nicotine means it's healthier.

Fantastic links BuckyOHare! Exactly what I was looking for. You've made my day. I'm sure I've seen this plant growing in my garden back home in Australia, but ordering online is much easier for me now.

Glad to be of help.

Was this stuff any good out of curiosity? I'm looking for an alternative to tobacco also.

I put together a list of herbal alternatives to tobacco which you can see at Wikiversity: Smoking cessation/Alternative herbs. To save time looking here are some of the main ones:

alfalfa, basil, buchu, camomile, comfrey, dandelion, damiana, eucalyptus, fo-ti-tieng, ginseng (leaf), hibiscus, hops, jasmine, kinnickinnick (Uva ursi), lobelia, lemion balm (melissa), marjoram, nettle (Urtica), oregano, parsley, rosemary, sage (Salvia; 60 legal species besides divinorum), savory, tarragon, thyme, verbena, wormwood (Artemisia), yarrow, zinnia

Make sure you use a 16-mesh screen to grind/sift the herb down to a uniform particle size which vapourises out the phytonutrients (such as, in the case of cannabis, the cannabinoids) without hot burning overdose smoking. Use a one-hitter and hold the flame far enough (at least 2 cm) below the opening that only hot air goes in, enough for vapourising temperatures, until the herb darkens somewhat meaning you have got the nutrients. Of course if you can afford it a vapouriser is best.