http://www.ukcia.org/forum/index.php EN Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:49:27 -0700 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:49:27 -0700 UKCIA forum Phorum 5.1.25 60 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18859,18859#msg-18859 Two-Six
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00jkr1q

It features proff nutt who amazingly gets to speak for quite a long time.

He gets to spout about his most "contraversial" views that perhaps the government should set up a test town where cannabis is "legalised" and distributed along the lines of the Dutch model and that also we could be using "pure" pharmacutical THC pills as a safe alternative to the natural product.

I also features "Debra Bell" and her dope-fiend son "Will" that bonged a quarter a day for 6 months and went a bit wierd, so wierd in fact that "Debs" had to kick him out the family home....I know you will all want to here what those two have to say.

The whole program pretty much focussed on the "reality" about how "Skunk" is much stronger than it used to be despite having absolutely no evidence to support this "fact". They also make a meal of the "fact" that cannabis causes schizophrenia.

They have another expert called Professor Murray on the program who says that his new report (that he is still working on) will show that there is link in the near future. However he also conceedes that rates of schizophrenia are falling overall but that there may exist "pockets" of young people getting schitzophrenia in the country at a higher rates that the norm and he hopes to find these pockets...So that sounds pretty unbiassed.

For the BBC it is a reasonable attempt at unbiassed and impartial reporting but again is an epic fail in this department. Just listen to the reporter, Simon Cox, when confronted with a huge bag of seized weed at a poilce bust anxiously asking "I won't get high from smelling it will I?"...Muppet.]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18859,18859#msg-18859 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:49:27 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18643,18858#msg-18858 tokerdesigner All this no tobacco stuff is no good if you're smoking good hash (or any hash for that matter) though, you need to smoke it with tobacco or it won't burn at all.
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An excellent example of the "I Aint Gettin Any! Syndrome" (IAGAS). The semivapouriser technique (using a long-arm one-hitter) means to keep sucking, maybe ten or more seconds, while holding the flame beneath the opening of the tilted crater so that the hashish is heated but not ignited. If the temperature reaches 385 F you are sure to be gettin THC out even if you can't taste it.

If a little part starts burning, just keep going, don't speed up. If you are patient and suck long enough, the hashish will catch on fire simply because it is dried out after a long enough exvapourisation. From this point on you may switch from holding the light underneath to tapping the top of the crater with the metal shield of your lighter to shockknock the coal together down over the main middle screen windows. Have your breathmoisturebonnet ready for further post-toke "mildness protection" by keeping the trachea moist. (And you may do more than one toke out of one little 20-mg. piece.)

Another aspect of the "mix with tobackgo" habit is the suckers think it is "milder" than trying to smoke the cannabis alone (and of course these are the same ones who make the mistake of igniting the cannabis immediately). Don't forget, since about 1913, with the invention of the Camel brand, $igarette manufacturers have been routinely (a) pre-toasting the tobackgo to make it "milder" (can't do that with THC), and (b) adding hundreds of different dopedowndrugs to suppress the cough reflex and fool the suckers into thinking the tobackgo is "mild".

They are trying to use cannabis to trap you into lifelong addiction, GBP 50,000 for 3-4 decades of $igarettes and then another GBP 50,000 for medical assistance in your last dreary decade unable to bend over to walk the grandchildren (well I guess in the UK HM govt funds that partly out of the (GBP 10,000,000,000/year) taxes collected off the $igarettes earlier...)...]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18643,18858#msg-18858 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:58:37 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18851,18856#msg-18856 Highday Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18851,18856#msg-18856 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:23:04 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18835,18855#msg-18855 mr_nice_spliff Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18835,18855#msg-18855 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:22:56 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18854#msg-18854 mr_nice_spliff
area west yorkshire[/quote]

yeah n yorks the same m8. 180 for some good blues....but you have to search around! bought an ounce for 90 quid a while ago but it was so bad we had to smoke the lot that evening!]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18854#msg-18854 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:18:54 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?10,18853,18853#msg-18853 Derek
[quote]it was sold as “Orange Bud”, it looked OK. On first inspection it looks like it would have been a really good deal with nice green buds (almost bright green but a little darker) that were uniformly rounded and small to medium in size and with the orange resin bracts clearly visible, it was dry and crispy, and not sticky, it didn’t smell of anything much apart from a just little mouldy. It didn’t crunch to the teeth and at the front of the tongue didn’t taste of anything. However at the back of the tongue, it tasted very sour.

In a pipe it burned with an audible pffff pfff fizz sound, it sparkled all over like a little sparkler, throwing up little sparks. The ash was firstly grey but when touched/poked it easily breaks down into a sticky dirty greasy sludge that feels very slippy between the fingers, like graphite. The gunk has even almost permanently stained the brass of my pipe too!

It gave me sore throat/head/neck and blisters on one side of my throat.

It is a classic example of Oil weed in my opinion.
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Analysis in a lab was inconclusive

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First of all I thought it might be a calcium or lithium carbonate but upon adding concentrated acid, it did not dissolve as expected. It seems insoluble in everything including common laboratory solvents ie DCM, Methanol, Acetonitrile, DMSO. DMF etc

Conclusions - Cannot run any experiments (NMR ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance ), IR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_spectroscopy ) or HPLC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPLC ) because of its insolubility) so its not an organic substance, therefore I think its possibly a clay of some sort. I did a quick search and found that clays can be applied as a spray to fruits to prevent "sun scald" and pest attack. So either this is applied to bulk up the mass or to protect the plant if they are under forced growing conditions (close to UV lamps maybe?). The flaring when a flame is applied also suggests its a fine powder clay (made up of different minerals) which would do this. So there you go, food for thought!”


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2685_130/ai_87706335/[/quote]

My reading of "clay" would be a silica type spray.

[youtube]2iMH0Sh2W7I[/youtube]

Derek]]> Contamination http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?10,18853,18853#msg-18853 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:45:07 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18851,18852#msg-18852 Derek
Derek]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18851,18852#msg-18852 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:30:22 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18851,18851#msg-18851 Highday
Legalize]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18851,18851#msg-18851 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:42:43 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18850#msg-18850 Highday
area west yorkshire]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18850#msg-18850 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:18:21 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18849,18849#msg-18849 billybollox Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18849,18849#msg-18849 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:10:33 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18846,18848#msg-18848 billybollox Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18846,18848#msg-18848 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:02:21 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18846,18847#msg-18847 Derek
Why not check out uk420 for this sort of advice eh?

http://www.uk420.com

It's a site dedicated to just what you want to know.

Derek]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18846,18847#msg-18847 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:50:08 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18846,18846#msg-18846 billybollox Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18846,18846#msg-18846 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:19:07 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18845,18845#msg-18845 billybollox Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18845,18845#msg-18845 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:20:07 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18643,18844#msg-18844 Derek
Er, yeah basically.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html]Washington Post report[/url]

[quote]Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. [/quote]

[url=http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/ha/present/Staff_researchpapers/YAn_Cui_Articles/Marijuana_Lungca9.pdf]Original paper[/url]

Other studies have found similar results.

But cancer isn't the only reason not to dmoke tobacco, it's addictive for a start.

Good quality cannabis burns OK, don't smoke crap.

Derek]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18643,18844#msg-18844 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:15:24 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18643,18843#msg-18843 herbalist All this no tobacco stuff is no good if you're smoking good hash (or any hash for that matter) though, you need to smoke it with tobacco or it won't burn at all.
Lets remember though that no-one smokes for their health so really what difference is a bit of tobacco going to make? I always love the posts where people go on about how to make smoking less dangerous. Do people really believe that the smoke of cannabis is less likely to cause cancer? Smoke is smoke]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18643,18843#msg-18843 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:41:32 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18833,18842#msg-18842 grace Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18833,18842#msg-18842 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:54:01 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?4,8086,18841#msg-18841 billybollox Gibber room http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?4,8086,18841#msg-18841 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:03:22 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18840#msg-18840 herbalist Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18840#msg-18840 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:05:00 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18839#msg-18839 billybollox Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18839#msg-18839 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:32:33 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18838#msg-18838 herbalist Please can everyone post the price they would pay for an oz of skunk/hash/weed etc and the area that price is from. I'd like to know if its still cheap and good anywhere in the UK still.

Minus 1000 points to anyone who says just grow your own etc.

Prices I can get are:
£130-200 oz of skunk (130 is wet, 200 is good)
£30-70 oz of weed
Area's are London, Leicester and Birmingham]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18838,18838#msg-18838 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:52:36 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?1,16065,18836#msg-18836 billybollox The UKCIA site http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?1,16065,18836#msg-18836 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:47:01 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18835,18835#msg-18835 billybollox Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18835,18835#msg-18835 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:30:25 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?4,18820,18834#msg-18834 billybollox Gibber room http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?4,18820,18834#msg-18834 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:10:59 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18833,18833#msg-18833 Two-Six Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18833,18833#msg-18833 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:31:17 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18829,18832#msg-18832 tokerdesigner
a. Don't worry about the tax bonanza, I don't think it will happen big time, gardening families will raise their own, the grandmother down the street will load e-cig cartridges etc. Instead, the economy will benefit from the Creative Paranoia (uncanny ability to discover and interpret real problems like deforestation and do something about them) which will arise via a process of LEAP-memory (Long-term Episodic Associative Performance memory) burbling up to surface behavior in the users. (See the thread, on Activism, entitled: UK Sea of Green, about the Brownspliff program.)

b. The police can increasingly serve as security and medical assistants at foreign guest worker landscape reform sites where massive amounts of deadwood are harvested and logged and turned into light carpentry, tool handles, toys etc.

c. The under-age problem is not to forbid access but to teach MODERATION. Example, my German-descended grandmother would have a bottle of beer for lunch and, at 8, I would have an ounce or so in a sort of little shotglass. Children are a valuable labor source and a tiny amount of riefer now and then can help inspire them to do important work in the garden etc. A 25-mg. toke every two days adds up to as much actual herb as the tobacco in a typical 700-mg. hot burning overdose nicotine $igarette every eight weeks. (Besides do you really want to hire all those bureaucrats to supervise the ID carding?)

d. Absolurightly. Dopn't buy herb from anyone who does not personally use a moderation-oriented utensil-- vaporizer, THC-e-cig or 25-mg.-serving-size long-stemmed screened one-hitter.]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18829,18832#msg-18832 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:07:25 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?10,18756,18831#msg-18831 grace

Check similar threads within the contamination forum.

This is very common. chuck it in the bin or else suffer ill health]]> Contamination http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?10,18756,18831#msg-18831 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:27:47 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18829,18830#msg-18830 grace
I found it counter intuitive, one sided and genreally a little offensive.


A message which was heavily laboured in this program was that the people who are behind the mighty factory grows are absolute scum. They traffic immigrants from poor countries, force them into prostitution, lock them in grow houses, give money to terrorists, incite violence within the community, sell drugs to kids blah blah blah.

Whilst all of this is very true another point made on a par with this was the millions of pounds which these scumbags make from their profession. A highly lucrative business indeed. The cost of poilicing such operations to crack down on cannabis factories is equally high.

Yet again this is also the truth. However......


Where the hell was the other side of the coin??

a) We can decriminalise cannabis such that we can tax and recover a large quantity of the money spent on the weed

b) There is no need for our police to tie up their resources busting grows and spending money on officers to carry out raids

c) Stop drug dealers selling to kids and introduce an ID system exactly the same as alcohol with licenses for premises that can legitimately sell cannabis to over 18s

d) Take the money away from the scumbags who use the drug money for horrific crimes which are inhumane. This can be done by decriminilasation.

Needless to say that none of these points were addressed in any way on this program. It really really winds me up to watch programs like this these days, no wonder the public perception of cannabis is at an all time low.


Also, i really enjoyed the lab technician who produced the three different types of cannabis...

1) Cannabis Resin (soapbar)
2) Herbal Cannaibis (crappy brick-weed)
3) SKUNK (i.e. the only real form of cannabis which is meant to be smoked. Female buds)


Dear oh dear, i gotta stop watchin these programs!!]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18829,18830#msg-18830 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:53:28 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18829,18829#msg-18829 Two-Six I just found this on BBC iplayer:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nq7m0/BBC_Scotland_Investigates_2009_Hash_in_the_Attic/

An interesting but excruciatingly short-sighted and heavily biassed documentary on the criminal skunk industry in Scotland. It sets out from the start to shock and terrify its audience about the trade and the product of it.

Obviously at no point does it address the issue that if it were legal for people to grow their own cannabis for personal use then all the criminality associated with the prohibition of cannabis they are focussing on would dissapear overnight.

*Sigh*]]> Cannabis in general http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?3,18829,18829#msg-18829 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:22:36 -0700 http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?4,18820,18828#msg-18828 tokerdesigner Gibber room http://www.ukcia.org/forum/read.php?4,18820,18828#msg-18828 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:52:55 -0700