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[Gibber room] Re: Ecstasy could be downgraded to class B drug

edwardfung — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:27:38 -0700

I have just purchased a pack of Trip2Night from Narcomundo.com. I paid around 30 dollars and the shipping was free. I emailed them to see how long it will take to get to me, but they have not emailed me back yet. The first week end night I get it I will try it and let you know if I like it or not. I will concentrate more on the things I do not like since the web sites selling it are promoting it enough and that is not my job. My job is to let the world know if there are any areas I do not like. I will get back to this after I try it.

[Contamination] Re: Analysing your own samples.

dirtyfonzie — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:43:10 -0700

over in the united states there are rumors of this type of shit going around.

as a responsible smoker i would like to know what type of microsope is strong enough to be able to see these contaminates?

will 250x be enough?

[Medicinal cannabis] Re: ADHD / ADD / Hyperactivity 2nd International Congress

fhaye — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:55:03 -0700

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[Activism] Re: Just got the inside scoop.

Shush — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:29:59 -0700

I will fight along side you brother but short of writing letters to newspapers and complaining what else can we ALL do. A mass smoke outside white hall perhaps.

[Activism] Re: what the fuck can be done

Shush — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:26:07 -0700

[quote THC1138]we're ending prohibition in California! we're going to make it LEGAL for adults over 21 to grow and possess, and to transport up to an ounce.

http://taxcannabis.org[/quote]

Is this an actual fact, if the laws change in america surly our backward and corrupt goverment here on england will have to change. Wont they???

[Cannabis in general] Re: question

THC1138 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:52:12 -0700

My kind of town! Chicago is. I spent about a month there back in 2001. Before the cameras.

[Activism] Just got the inside scoop.

THC1138 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:48:27 -0700

NORML is going to joining up with the Tax & Regulate Cannabis 2010 campaign! The signature drive is about to expand and we will be on the ballot in 2010! I know that California is far away from the UK, but once we change our laws over here the discriminatory laws against cannabis will topple worldwide. I believe this to be true, and I will fight for cannabis legalization every day of my life. peace.

[Cannabis in general] Unequality within Civilisation and its generations and racism?

redeye — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:23:22 -0700

This is my last thoughts for a while. I want to go bury my head in the earth and await election results and decide on if its worth buying a one way ticket or not.

I wonder why when god made humans it made them like this.

We as humans would cuddle a black dog the same as a white dog - no race involved but up until well slavery black men was only good for one thing working in the fields. Not suitable for working in office or going to the same bar as a white man.

This is a form of classification - where one race / culture considers itself as a more accepted human than other.

Step out of that and now in 21st century.

Sure those small minded thoughts have some what gone not totally mind you but slowed down but as always we need some group of people to look down on

The pot smokers are a good target it seems. Toker designer did mention its to keep the black man down in the posting in regards to evil weed part 2.

Which really does begin to ask questions in my mind that if

"Weed is a cultural thing - meaning black people tend to do this more than whites and its a genetic thing meaning once they try weed, they find it works for them"

Then has slavery gone away or is this the new way of getting to the same objectives in a more technical way.

If I were working and I told work people I smoke pot - They would know they have a tool against me. By winding me up stressing me out trying to get me to have a go at them. Then to go tell bosses i smoke weed and I suffer from mental issues.

yep and that be that a job on the way down and out.

So is this classification of cannabis a bit deeper than the actual product?
Is it because most of the people that use it is non white. This bringing back some classification not far from oh pot heads good for the fields and not good for our bars. Outcast members of society.

I think evil weed part 2 focusing on if weed brings certain communities more together when they do it and if so. If it was part of their civilisation should they be treated as an outcast?

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

redeye — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:24:23 -0700

interesting reading:
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/01/david-nutt-gordon-brown-drugs]Gurardian and the history of ACMD[/url]

Basically all finger now seems to point to Prof Nutt and politicians saying he should have stepped down and made his comment:

[quote]May 2008 ACMD report confirms advice that cannabis remain in Class C, but home secretary Jacqui Smith overrules it for the first time in its history and moves drug to Class B. Council chair Sir Michael Rawlins says he is stepping down and Nutt succeeds him in October.[/quote]

hmmm this has already been tried so did Prof Nutt have any choice?

Another further reading is Prof Nutt's actual findings:

[url=http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/opus1714/Estimating_drug_harms.pdf]Estimating_drug_harms[/url]

Take a look at page 5 at which opinions wish for it to remain as a class B.

Statutory Partnerships
Policing Agencies 27 in total 13 wanting it to be class B.
everyone else was quite happy as C.

Now look up wiki for police state:
[quote]The classification of a country or regime as a police state is usually contested and debated. Because of the pejorative connotation of the term, it is rare that a country will identify itself as a police state. The classification is often established by an internal whistleblower or an external critic or activist group. The use of the term is motivated as a response to the laws, policies and actions of that regime, and is often used pejoratively to describe the regime's concept of the social contract, human rights, and similar matters.[/quote]

84 is for real guys.

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

grace — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:45:54 -0700

another well presented articulate blog entry derek. If only we could smuggle you into downing street for prime ministers question time! Surely someone has to raise a question about this in parliament! I'd love to go and speak to the local mp about this but as i work 50hours a week this is unlikely to fit in with their ridiculous surgery times!

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

redeye — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:26:08 -0700

but seriously this new claim that laws are based on what the people want is complete madness.

The global warming is always been based on what scientist say.

Drink driving ? If you asked the people and gave them the choice it would be legal limit of 10 pints.
That is based on science i.e. alcohol units per blood level.

So it seems what they are saying is they claim they will back science when it backs them

Its showing that all those claims of the spins are over was really another spin

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

Derek — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:01:36 -0700

[url=http://ukcia.org/wordpress/?p=93]Latest blog entry[/url] for your amusement. This is showing signs of getting really big

Got to laugh!

Derek

[Activism] Re-instate Professor Nutt

johnnyv — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:49:00 -0700

From the facebook group at

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=165377947794&ref=mf

It looks like this story will not being going away quickly with resignations from the ACMD expected this week. This has thrown the Government's drug policy into chaos and could well be an important turning point.

And whilst Brown's Government is to blame for this shambles, it is important to remember that the Tories stand shoulder to shoulder with Labour on drugs policy and the shadow Home Secretary has said he supports the decision to sack Professor Nutt.

Which leaves it down to us: the mob, the true opposition.

How to help

Firstly invite your friends to join this group and share the group on your wall. This gets us in one place where we can discuss strategies on effective actions to take. It also keeps people interested and talking about the subject.

You can write to the Home Office at: public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk or to the Home Secretary direct at: johnsona@parliament.uk

All MPs addresses use the same formula, ie, surname, first initial
@parliament.uk, although it's woth remembering that not all Honourable Members are competent enough to use computers so may not respond to email.

You can also contact your MP via the website theyworkforyou.com

Your constituency MP is duty bound to address any issue you take up with them and at a time when many are rightly fearing for their political lives they may be more interested than usual in the concerns of their constituents.

Several people have registered petitions on Number 10's website, when they go live we'll post a link up to all of them on the group info page.

Someone has suggested contacted the beeb to suggest Nutt as a panellist on Question Time which you can do by going to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/7827200.stm#1

Any other ideas please post them up on the group's wall or in the discussion forums, let's be creative, why not post a smoke to Alan Johnson to help him calm down a little bit.

Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP
Goodwin Resource Centre
Icehouse Road
HULL
HU3 2HQ

The venerable Alan Johnson has a website at: http://www.alanjohnson.org/ - whilst you can post comments to his page they are moderated, so whilst unlikely to appear, they will be seen.

Finally blog, tweet and let's keep people talking.

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

redeye — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:46:33 -0700

There is one way of solving this issue once and for all

A bunch of gaming stoners VS bunch of gaming drinkers.

Both drunk and stoned to their optimum point the put behind a PS3/xbox game for a duel.

Stoners VS Laggers.

See who whoops who's ass

if stoners win it becomes legalised

I am in for that anyone else.

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

redeye — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:52:01 -0700

Well the last thing said on this on the news was officials confirming laws are not based on science but on what the people want. I hope they can also agree that science is based on science and not politics so the sacking can not be justified.

If this is the case when was the last time we had an open debate or had a vote on this ?
I can not recall anything of the kind and if you have not really gathered public opinion how can there be such claims made ?

I presume they mean daily mail forum which is controlled by someone who says reject to all negative comments and authorise to any thing positive for their article. Maybe they get a better pay if they do or they get sacked if they authorise something that goes against what they say.

Personally I don't think its based on daily mail or any of those silly papers but more based on a society who have been forced to drink as the only alternative to reality and those members who are half drunk i.e. on another substance who have then gone after a heavy night and had a toke then thrown up or felt sick etc and now facts based on drunk people who toke and feel ill.

Whats even more funny is bbc news then showing a mum saying she agreed cos the evil stuff killed her son. Well the article said Prof Nutt confirms LSD and ectasy is less harmful than alcohol. Does anyone see adverts in films where they show a pepsi vending machine or drinking coke in the film. That means the film is getting some advertising money from the company. Now taking into account the article was about drugs and how much negative feedback has come back specifically about cannabis from all these news sites/papers I presume this same adversing rule applies all bad articles has a certain price paid by tax payer lol.

But then they also show docs on if you went to a doc in California and said i was feeling down and negative they would give you a prescription for weed.

Its amazing how the views of medical professions suite or match the society its based in.

Also more amazing is how the actual point is missed - being an illegal substance removes any restrictions. Meaning if it was legalised just like alcohol you would have to be over a certain age before you are allowed to try it. This means the dealers are replaced with legal places which control who should and should not get it.

Thus these kids who are smoking pot at the age of 10-15 would find it harder to get hold of it because you now have a reason to ensure no dealers exist and rightly so. I don't see much alcohol dealers for a start. Thus removing this issue once and for all. Do the kids in holland do what the kids in UK are doing? no I wonder why.

I really think there needs to be something like a enviro/biopsy put in place where everything is taken into consideration including environment before a professional can blame a specific substance for being a cause of mental issues/death.

For all we know they have a questionnaire and if they say they have had a toke that counts as the over all reason for any of their wrong or evil. Tokes Score 99 out of a 100 for example.

As I have said before "Warning cocktails can be more lethal"

A contribution of various factors can = cocktail [gathering of these factors then contributes to a significant issue ]

[Cannabis in general] Re: question

redeye — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:43:44 -0600

I was just gesturing in regards to para and talking to frank.

I don't suffer from paranoia and was only trying to justify why if paranoia is higher what factors could be playing a part of it.

Cocktails can have a more lethal effect.

[Cannabis in general] Re: evil weed part 2 ?

redeye — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:28:36 -0600

I do see that point very clearly and yes there is a point in that too.
I think what i was pointing to goes deeper than putting a black mark.
I think you understand what I was trying to get to as well.

The only way I could think of doing such an experiment is to gather a group of people from the various parts of the world. All around 17-20 who have been clean from smoke/drink [be really hard I bet]
then to test a month of them smoking pot a month break a month of drinking to see which component agreed more with which groups.
i.e. 5 from middle-east 5 from europe you could go as 5 brits 5 mexicans etc etc
But my point here is that certain types of people will find one or the other more suitable and workable.

And most important point of all. going back to the Genes point.
If it is inbuilt in our gene that we try weed once and we then find its potential as a good thing should there really be laws based on what your genes prefer?

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

redeye — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:19:53 -0600

don't touch the drink much. I was just putting in a comparison and what I am supposed to be doing legally to be on the right side of the law and the reality that if i did as they said I would not have a brain to think with. If I know that its wrong should the law tell me no this is the right and only thing you can do ?

We all need a form of escapism from this manic century we live in where things are wanted in seconds not exactly a simple relaxed stress free life style we all live to not need something to keep us sane.

[Cannabis in general] Why they inspect black guys for weed

tokerdesigner — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:39:14 -0600

It's in order to put a black mark on the guy's "record" so he can't qualify for education loads, get a high paying job, and eventually exert political power like high-paid workers do. "It's the money."

[Cannabis in general] Re: a bit of good news in all the grim

tokerdesigner — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:35:45 -0600

1. This is a good time to step in very quick and rev up a demonstration in support of this Nutt guy, he needs to be rewarded signifficantly.

2. REDEYE, I'm puzzled why you bother getting drunk any more since you know better, is it intimidating "friends" pressuring you? Since you can get to a computer, it's time to search down some replacement associates, join a different organization etc. No compromise with assholes that mean you harm.

3. Where I disagree with Prof. Nutt is ranking tobackgo 9th instead of 1st, most harmful, but I guess most of the harm is the HEAVILY promoted hot-burning overdose $igarette format not the herb itself. The tobackgo-based "NICOTINE-INDUSTRIAL-GOVERNMENT SYNDICATE" is the most harmful development in the history of the human race, right "back" to the split-off from chimp/bonobo 6 million years ago.

[Cannabis in general] Re: Dawgwagner

tokerdesigner — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:16:11 -0600

Did you know that earlier this year, with exquisite sense of history, President Obama (doubtless advised by "Nobody messes with Joe" Haydnbiden) seized General Motorwagens and fired the CEO, some guy name Rick Wagoner (sp.??). Fit for a four-hour opera, you couldn't make this stuff up.

[Cannabis in general] Re: global warming? Cannabis to the rescue!

tokerdesigner — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:59:40 -0600

1. Assuming the man-made warming theory is correct, and it's caused by too much CO2, what we need is more trees to eat up the extra CO2! At this point, CANNABIS TO THE RESCUE-- the plant is considered an excellent precursor crop to trees because its aggressive root system pre-develops the ground for perennials to grow later. (So we can point out that the prohibitionists are anti-forest.)

2. Corn (maise) is considered a good pre-cursor crop for cannabis, so places like Indiana, Illinois, Iowa (the Three-I League) are a good place to go and sneak Billions of Brownspliffs (see thread, "UK Sea of Green") in wherever there is an ignored hedge or bush. Within two years they'll be invading the cornfields and some farmers will stop and think, hey this aint a bad idea. (Did you know those states once had much more forest, and it was cut down to provide fuel for woodburning paddlewheelboats and locomotives and track ties for the train system etc. Also the famous and beloved Illinois President ("Ape Blinkin'"*) nominated in a back room in Chicaaaawgo in 1860 had been a rail-splitter in youth, making bars for fencing to segregate beefcattle on deforested pastures, then later he was a lawyer helping railroads gobble up more land to kill trees? Forgive, not forget.)

*Yes, he looked like an ape. That was evidently an asset in a time when even n----rs couldn't get elected. In a famous article by Jane Goodall in National Geographic Magazine about 1979-80, there's a page of mug shot pictures of chimpanzees, of which two (2) look exactly like the famous March 1865 "last portrait". Check it out.

[Cannabis in general] Bugs on Bugs!

tokerdesigner — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:32:40 -0600

Redeye is right, they're finally catching up to 1984. THC-1138, if you're from the US, maybe you know Mayor Daley is reported to be trying to catch up to London with spy cameras in Chicaaaawgo.

I heard an interview about camera miniaturization, they have spycams now that can be attached to real bugs (insects, my dear) flying around everywhere, soon there won't be any place on earth where you can light a toke unobserved. The worst is all the bureaucrats watching screens, though they too will be replaced by bots costing billions of bucks while the idiot taxpayer thinks it's a protection against terrorrrism.

[Cannabis in general] Re: question

redeye — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:55:03 -0600

Go Suck on that FRANK AKA TALKTOFRANK

PARA? Yes the CCTV made me

[Cannabis in general] Re: question

THC1138 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:44:24 -0600

I wouldn't let the government make me stop. people need to stand up to the lies and deceptions. I have been smoking cannabis for 39 years.

[Cannabis in general] Re: question

bl8er — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:42:06 -0600

unfortunately it is :) I will stop smoking for some time now :)

[Cannabis in general] Re: Tai weed?

THC1138 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:09:04 -0600

I used to get Thai stick back in the seventies into the early eighties. the stuff you got was probably not real. recently saw something that was called gold Columbian. I have smoked real Columbian, too, and this bunk crap was not it.

[Cannabis in general] Re: global warming?

THC1138 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:04:42 -0600

I never bought into the global warming scare. it is just a way to keep people frightened, and easy to manipulate and control.

[Cannabis in general] Re: smoking without tobacco

THC1138 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:02:51 -0600

I never mix death smoke with my cannabis. I like it pure and clean.

[Cannabis in general] Re: question

THC1138 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:39:31 -0600

that is frightening.